Stucco Staples going through the stud field
Hello Guys and gals, this video simply addressing a comment by my pal Mark Fowler who been in the Wall and Ceiling Industry for 40 years, licensed contractor in two states, project architect specializing in building envelopes, served many times as a expert witness, author and technical director of Bureaus and two manuals on stucco.
Plus served as Committee Chairman to establish the MITC (Minimum Industry Training Criteria) for California Apprenticeship of Plaster Tenders. Which (I) had to attend for 4 years, one evening per week while an apprentice plasterer back in the early 80’s
Mark’s currently the Executive Director for SMA, stucco manufacturers association, Marks fowler is definitely a busy dude.
I stay in touch with old timers like Mark Fowler, Jerry Pozo, Fred Smith as our path cross frequently being in the same plastering profession, o.k. they are all probably younger than me.
Mark sometime watches our video’s, so when he watched this one below,
he felt he would humor me by telling me of a case he was on and one of the opposing attorneys implied that placing a staple in the stucco field could be a cardinal sin.
This reminded me of the Twinkie Defense many years ago.
If you research with Google and or talk to enough folks you can find contradictions till your head spins.
Alway nice to hear the drama/ horror stories from our boys on the inside of a courtroom too.
Kirk Giordano Plastering Inc.
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Great video, Kirk! Loving the consistency in uploads! I'm always excited to tune-in to the Giordanos world! Oh and when you mentioned Mark Fowler, I immediately thought of the Pianist Mark Fowler, here on YouTube! Haha! What a coincidence. 🙂
Hey Levi Clays dude, that funny, my wife thought of the English actor Mark Fowler of course she's from England.
There appears to be a lot of fowler's out there,
That why an uncommon name is good, like Kirk Pierre Giordano, unpronounceable therefor uncommon.
Best wishes,
Kirk Giordano
Man I wish I could show this video to every mm.. 'touchy' homeowner / contractor / etc that's criticized my work when they see a couple staples in the field. Even after explaining to them and applying silicone on the outside and staples bent on the inside there's always that one person every now and then that'll look for something "wrong".
_'Great video as always.
Howdy A R Diaz, I hear you,
I try to explain what we will do prior to start of each project, however, folks who simply do not understand and are so used to getting burned by every individuals they meet that they have learned doubts, O.K., I feel theses same doubts myself sometimes.
Can't blame them or myself as I have noticed this averious nature in many folks myself, when I see them clearly in folks I don't walk I run from them.
Things that make you go hmmmmm, it's a vicious world out there brother.
This is another reason why we are totally transparent with our work ethics shown on video.
Best wishes,
Kirk Giordano
hi kirk,i suppose there is also a risk of penetrating electric cables or water pipes when staple in the field, and has it happened to you guys it has happened to me, I am not a plaster or stucco guy I was a roofer once apon a time regards my freind
Hi darren harlow, O yes, this happened to use once about 16 years ago we were stapling off a big chimney, water was slowly dripping at the bottom, the homeowner noticed, two day later the general opened the wall and sure enough someone installed a plastic water pipe to close to the exterior wall. (shit happens)
We as lathers by code are required to use 1 1/4 crown staple as 7/8 of the leg must penetrate the stucco, of course the plywood sheathing must be taken into consideration, thus staples are inch and a quarter.
When I first started in the plastering industry we only used 7/8 crown staples as there was no sheathing required (1975?) we lathed over studs for many years and stretched the piss out the paper and wire, of course we did use mostly paper backed single ply paper with wire embedded.
It sucked. I love this system it is too easy from days gone past.
BTW, notice the wires going through the stud they are centered so our staples don't hit nor will the sheetrock nails, these electricians were experts.
Best wishes,
kirk Giordano
Not to mention A/C condensation lines….an occurrence which may not show-up until the house is complete and the A/C doesn't work. A real pisser.
Hey Eric, exzackery,
Best wishes,
kirk Giordano
+Kirk & Jason Giordanos DIY plastering and stucco tips Not to keep bringing things up, but another thing I've seen with today's wirsbo pex plastic plumbing is that when the plumber gets sloppy and ventures too close to the shear panel, a staple can penetrate and the wirsbo seals itself around the staple. Six months to a year later the water corrodes the staple and you get a big ol' hard-to-find water leak. Usually repaired at the GCs great expense.
Hi Eric, yes, I have punctured a plastic water pipe about 15 years ago, the fellow who installed was a homeowner and didn't realize he had to keep a certain distant from the exterior sheer substrate as well as the interior sheetrock,
Live and learn, and yes, by the way he and I found and repaired, I do so at no coat, as thats the kind of guy I am, foolish.
Cheers!
kirk Giordano
hey kirk was happy to hear that the medication and and insurance situation got resolved. Im sure every plaster'er has their own little snag they're waiting for you to walk into. There was always one patch that used to worry me when ever they would come along. And that is a plumbing, electrical, etc. Stucco patch on a santa barbara smooth finish. On a big wall of some nice big house. Those will always keep me up at night. even though ive made it so far. I would love to see you tackle that snag.
Continued… I would love to see if you got some tricks, so you dont have to restucco the whole wall. To fix A smooth stucco patch, and match the color when your done by any means. When those come up, no customer ever wants to do the wall from corner to corner. Ive used bondo to feather around the patc. only because its the only thing that i can sand smooth that will put up with water. And yes thats the onky time i use sandpaper on. a stucco patch, lol.
Is OSB permitted when using stucco? I've seen vinyl siding pull off the wall because the nails in the field pulled out and the installer didn't nail into the studs
Hi Chris Callaghan, yes, OSB is permitted in our area, FYI, instead of touching either OSB or plywood, a gap should be between each sheet to allow for swelling or what we call expansion.The heat of the sun will do this, if the two sheets are touching , hairline cracks in the stucco can occur, especially in very high heat areas. Cheers, Kirk Giordano
Kirk, so of the sheet rock is up on the inside , how do you bend the in the field staples down ? Cheers .
Peter old chap, I have been waiting for this question.
Ding, give that man a cigar!
You don't, you only have to bend the ones down that miss the studs, I didn't miss the studs on this small garage (of course I have in the past and will do so in the future too)
Why? If a fella that staples off enough walls realizes they will eventually miss a stud or two.
The job I was referring too in this video, we were in our 20's and there were many radious walls we didn't mark the studs, but simply lathed up following the nail pattern, we missed some studs, the architect panicked as he was the General contractor and the homeowner too, he called the city immediately to have a city inspector give advice.
The inspector in his 70's came out inspected all three stories of this monster excess of a custom home, as no sheetrock was up, then, simply said bend down the ones that missed the studs.
In the field this action is not necessary to bend down staples, however if the overlapped wire is past the 7/8 of the stucco to be applied a staple of some type needs to fasten the wire down belows the application of 7/8 of stucco.
Usually the occurs most on gable tops as on flat walls the overlapping is best to allow free to give more of a fur.
FYI, If a fella hits all the studs this give the normal (PSI) pound per square inch that must be fastened into the stud to accommodate the weight of new stucco.
Dude you asked.
Cheers!
kirk giordano
+Kirk & Jason Giordanos DIY plastering and stucco tips. Well stuff me a pipe of apple cheery Watson …. It certainly was elementary by dear Watson . TY Bro glad you cleared that up . Cheers
Actually you cleared that question up as I didn't think to explain it as it was too deep for the average DIY fella.
Maybe you should start doing some plastering on the side to make some extra dough, as it also create a sense of euphoria, plus helps with sound sleeping.
Extra cash, paid workout, sense of accomplishment, what more in life does a righteous person desire?
Cheers!
kirk Giordano
Well glad about that … good to get into for the able …. got all the info here by you , which is a big help. cheers bro
Just saw Louuuu lurking!
Hello Wayne Frazier I'm sorry.
It could be worse he could be a houseguest.
Cheers!
kirk Giordano Plastering
over stapeling ? motion in the wall?i fasten ever 16 inches by 5 up and down.. to much?what say you?
Good morning Jeffrey, this works as most homes have studs ever 16 inches, most wire has marks to show the spaces that need stapling I usually staple between 5 to 6 inches myself. Do you need a staple in the field? Not really unless this overlap is passed the 7/8 inch of the new stucco that's going to be applied. Often a city inspector will say they want a staple in the field (between the stud where the two netting overlap, but then I have heard the opposite. I tend to leave the wire loose where the overlap is if i'm certain it won't show after the basecoat in complete for extra furring. The most common mistake of DIY homeowners or contractors is to over staple the wire, the wire should be in the middle of the stucco not flat to the wall otherwise the stucco can't get behind it, sort of like dobys and concrete. cheers, kirk giordano rendering