Drywall differences, green and blue board sheetrock for interior plastering.
Many folks refer to sheetrock, as drywall, plaster board, gypsum board it all basically the same stuff just a different name. The green and purple board are more fro moisture and mold resistances, the blue board are specifically engineered for veneer plaster such as a imperial base coat plaster which don’t need glueing or bonding agents.
I apply a bonding agent over all boards except for the blue board.
In this video I give some basic tips on the many gypsum boards I have encountered in the last 30 years, This is my opinion, you folks of course use whatever board and mud you prefer.
As far as most’staping muds are concerned, I rarely use taping mud’s as they are usually a typical three day systems. you apply the first coat, wait 24 hours, then repeat two more times, then you sand the walls, which makes a big mess, plasters and or compounds are much faster but takes more experience with no sanding.
But on the other hand, taping mud is great for home owner doing a complete home or even just a room where you will be working for more than a day anyway and wish to get it done as cost effectively as possible.
There and many choices for quick touch ups, what I explain here is just the tip of the iceberg.
In many of my video’s I use drywall compounds as they dry within minutes and you can apply your next coat giving the ability to same day base coat and finish.
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Drywall differences, green and blue board sheetrock for interior plastering
they sell a kit if the tub doesn't have a flange. Also what the heck is up with the pipe for the toilet!!!? Some one want to look down on the world when they are on their thrown??? 🙂
Hey Dusty dude, I don't get called many times to add the wall barriers and waterproofing but I have done it many times.
As far as the tall pipe Jason and I thought it was so high so we wouldn't get any idea of using it, I'm pretty tall but there was even a cap on it so we had to walk all the way downstairs.!
Cheers.
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Is that blue board made out of mesh an concrete ? Put some in here in shower an tile over it. Also where the tub meets the wall " grout line " I find it turns a lot an gets dirty or shrinks always have to replace it , resolution? TY TU cheers
Peter old pal, na, this is just sheetrock with a layer on it designed to accept a certain type of mud.
As far as continuous caulking a tub, if I knew a way I would tell you. If you tile, thats maintenance free, but if you used a caulking every 5 to 8 years or so you may have to re-caulk it, hitting any moldy caulking with bleach usually gets rid of the mold for awhile though.
I the caulking realbeat up remove and replace it, happens to the best of us.
cheers brother!
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Bingo Bro bleach works , forever replacing caulking for sure though . cheers Peter
Thanks. And also thanks for not having to skim past graphics, pics and loud music of intro.
Thanks Kirk, I had a project and did a shower demo due to a sloppy job by the sub. I used a product called "red guard (or redgard?) as a sealer and barrier. It's a thick, pink vinyl paint on material that turns red when it dries. It's very durable and also approved for shower pans. Not sure if you've ever used it but check it out someday. It's about 50 bucks a gallon but goes a long ways.
Howdy Gee dubb, I have heard of this product, but haven't tried it.
Happy to hear it worked well for you.
My method is to drywall or plywood apply a membrane say something at least 50 mil thickness then attach 3.4 metal mesh, slam a cementitious base coat on and then tile as usual.
If you add the plaster by hand it must be true and plump or the tile will be difficult to set proper on a wavy base coat. I usually tell guys unless you're good with stucco use the membrane than wonder board as the wall comes out plumb for setting the tile.
Cheers.
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agree, nothing worse than a wavy and or crumbly wall. The old saying "you get what you pay for". My ol dad taught me the way to do them, the right way. Take care and I hope the rains don't hit you too hard. (probably some more job security though!)
2 words for any plaster connoisseur, Plaster Weld and Bon Tool! lol thanks for the great vid Kirk look forward to the next one!
that blueboard is supposed to be impregnated with glue. and the the paper has little grooves in it. thats what i was told a while back . is that california ONE-Kote ? we used to call that " white gold" cause we madecso much money with it. try waiting fir it to just about set up. and hit it with a worn out red float, one thats still flat. spray a lil water on it to bring up the fat if need be. then hit itvwith that traul. it should knock down lsmooth as a babys behind. love the vids
Hey chaddy dude, what I use was a compound on this project for a one day operation. If I was to use say structo-lite with a veneer finish I would have had to charge him for two trips. He was happy paying a few hundred bucks for the one time same day stuff.
Best wishes and thanks for sharing.
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And i didnt mean california White-Kote. because thats just the top fr Structolite.
Blue in the uk is soundblock
Hi Chris Butcher, good tip brother, it's hard to keep up with all these new and so called improved products.
Cheers!
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hey kirk& family if its possible could you show me where i could buy a 20×5 pool trowel, i want to try the same as yours but when i look for pool trowels there all completely round, i need it shaped like your, thanks 😀
Hi Emily, I bouth that one online at BonTools.com
but it's so big it does take a lot of practice, try perhaps at most the 16X5.
Best wishes.
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Yeah. I thought it was " California one-kote " you were spreading. Probably was, just a different name. Highland made something like that too. It was basically casting plaster, with lime and very fine silica. And probably some random binders. You know how it is. Different areas carry different brands of the same stuff. I love when I see customers mix themselves a lil fix-all and try to patch with it, hahaha. You need a dam grinder to sand that. I'd love to see you repair a patch in a santamonica finish wall. My customers are so picky. Everything I has to be perfect. People are a trip man. When your trying to get paid, you get very clever, lol. And good.
Hey chaddy dude, I hear you, lots of similar materials with different names.
Cheers!
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Great video! I learned something.
Morning Wren Wright, thank you, that's what is all about sharing the knowledge.
Best wishes,
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Thanks!
@kittyboo2121 No worries, best wishes and have a good evening. Kirk giordano
Hi Kirk! Great video! It's fun watching you and listening to you. Very entertaining actually.
Unfortunately, I used 5/8 green board moisture resistant for my shower wall, and tiles have been installed. This is before I've learned from your video. Now, what can I do to prolong or if i can prevent water damage? Any suggestion?
@benzinc Hey Benzinc dude, thank you,
when you installed the tile over any sheetrock no mater the color or depth, a waterproof membrane must be placed to cover the sheetrock with a cement plaster over some type of wire, then the tile is attached to this base coat.
Did you mean you applied tile directly over sheetrock?
If so this wont last too long, by the time it fails you will more than likely have wood rot under the sheetrock, sorry brother.
If you did attach tiles to sheetrock, you can apply a waterproof type of liquid to the grout which will prolong the inevitable
Best wishes,
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Hi Kirk & Jason,
I have two questions about Plaster-Weld.
First, the directions on the Plaster-Weld can state to apply plaster while tacky or after a week to ten days. I am a big believer in following the instructions of the people who develop and manufacture a product, but waiting a week to ten days seemed out of wack with the time between coats in your videos. What say you?
Second, none of my local big box stores sell any kind of plaster bonding agent, but they all carry at least three different types of plaster. I asked the contractor working at the Pro desk about it and he said that Structo-Lite, plaster, and veneer plaster now include a bonding agent, so applying a separate bonding agent is unnecessary. What is going on?
Thanks!
@David Norris Hello David, excellent question,
Weld-Crete or Plaster weld both made by Larsons is a professional grade bonding agent, one of it's functions is that you can apply this bonding agent over almost any substrate including glass and the plaster Will adhere.
A person should only use it once when going over a surface which is sealed or if your not sure, apply, (paint or roll it on) as added protectiion against your new plaster falling off.
I always use a bonding agent when applying plaster even with some products that say it's not necessary, myself.
As far as stricto-lite, this is product most folks don't use a bonding agent on, but old Kirk uses a bonding agent prior even for this product.
You will more than likely find Quikrete bonding agent product at the Home Depot's or Lowe's, Quickrete wrote the book on cement plasters, stucco's and concrete not to mention bonding agents.
Best wishes,
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@Kirk & Jason Giordanos DIY plastering and stucco tips Thanks a lot for your expertise. Do I have to wait a week to ten days after application of the Plaster-Weld before I can plaster once the Plaster-Weld dries?
Hi David, I generally wait until it dries, however the can does say you can wait up to days days if necessary.
Best wishes,
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Thanks for the help Kirk. Have you posted an update on your harvoni treatment?
Hi David, I usually wait until the bonding agent is dry as it only about one half hour, the ten days is a convenient, meaning if you apply you still have up to ten days to plaster and the bonding agent will still hold.
As far as bonding agents in the materials most plastering contractor don't use the bonding agents at least those I have talked to.
This is their choice, as a rule I always do as it only takes minutes to apply and I sleep better.
Try looking for quickcrete bonding agent it's more popular than weld crete.
weld-create is sold at the professional plastering yards and some specialty or quality hardware stores.
Best wishes,
Kirk Giordano Plastering
Sorry I forgot to tell you that my walls are already sheetrock and painted i wanted to Veneer Diamond Plaster my walls would I need to use the sand product that you used on your video before using the finish or can look use the bonding agent or can i get around just by using the veneer diamond Finish only
Hi sylvia sanchez, I recommend a bonding agent first weather it's painted or not, you can just apply the finish coat, but I prefer to first apply a base coat myself, as it has sand for strength and when dry the finish coat has a better chance of not blistering or separating from the sheetrock as the trowel action can separate it if you over trowel.
Cheers,
kirk giordano
Thank you for your help love you work may the good Lord continue to bless you with your work
Hi sylvia sanchez, no worries,
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Good video thank you.
Evening Neil Ewan, your welcome,
Cheers,
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Kirk,
Thank you for this and all your videos. I think you saved me from a big error. My 1910 home has what was locally called horse hair plaster. As I understand a mix of clay and slaked lime, horse and or pig hair added for strength and a thin plaster veneer finish. Its nearly all failing.
Two rooms so far I striped to the studs, rewired, insulated and installed drywall. I worked hard to keep the original base board trim in place – ¾” x 8” shellac finished fine grain Douglas fir with not one knot anywhere, beautiful. Window and door trim I tediously removed and labeled.
The issue is in many places the door and window frame have up to ¾” offset to the stud so I went with 5/8” green board drywall with the intent of building up 1/8” of drywall compound…
Well forget that – too soft, shrinkage, slow dry and sanding, I hate sanding. So to review with your expert opinion, I intend to:
– Mesh tape joints with staples
– Coat with bonding agent
– Apply 1/16” of imperial base coat
– Apply diamond veneer finish Thanks in advance for your input. I wish you and yours health and happiness!
Bernie
Evening Uncle B man dude, this is a really strong choice, you want even stronger like hospitals and or schools apply an imperial finish instead of diamond.
cheers,
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kirk, i have a 3 piece alcove tub that im installing. i am going to butt the sheet rock to the tub / surrounding flange and not go over the flange. i was wondering what do you recommend filling the void with to make a clean finish, plaster instead of joint compound or is there another trick to doing this? thanks
Howdy Phil, if it were me I would use this system below in the video,
https://youtu.be/DHT9SQJhev8
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Thanks kirk. ill see if my local hardware and or home centers carry the diamond veneer.
Evening Phil, there are other brans of veneer that are just as good too.
best wishes,
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like the stucco weld do you add water and water it down or do you apply it to its full thickness since it's interior
Howdy Austin, I use full strength plaster weld myself for interiors,
As a rule I don't suggest anyone anywhere dilute any of the bonding agents sold.
Best wishes with your projects,
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Kirk Giordano plastering Inc. thanks I appreciate the quick response one more quick question so for the exterior bonding agents going over existing stucco we shouldn't dilute the agent, I thought if you didnot it would spider Crack I'm probably confusing it with something else . thanks kirk!
Howdy Austin, my gut feeling was that you may have watched that video.
I dilute only when applying a color finish in certain circumstances, my 30 years plus time in tells me when to dilute, the average person won't have my understanding, so as not to get yelled at blamed or criticized for telling folks what to do, I was showing in that video what "I" do, each person has to do whats right for themselves or basically make their own decisions.
cheers brother,
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Kirk Giordano plastering Inc. gotcha man! thanks keep making these awesome videos!
Howdy Austin, no worries,
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Don't those joints crack between the sheetrock and plaster, without tape?
Good Morning Brad, no, not with this procedure
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Will using blue board coated in plaster be as good as plaster over lathe? I have a century home I need to redo a couple walls in which I have gutted down to lathe. Should I remove lathe and use blue board as a base? Or just do it the old fashioned way using the lathe?
Howdy Nina, yes Blue, purple and green are designed to be moisture, mold, and mildew resistant.
While just as good as the old cedar wood lath.
Here's a great site that will explain in minutes, https://www.thebalance.com/types-of-drywall-845079
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Thx for the link post had a lot of good info in general but really didn't detail the differences between green and blue board . And keep up the good work.
BTW Dont take this the wrong way but I think u could have ADD tc…
Why do you weld-bond Blue-board?
Good morning Sal, although this board did not require a bonding agent other areas did, plus applying a bonding anent helps adhere the plaster to surfaces which may have dust from sanding that I may not be aware of, and is a really quick precautionary measure that allows me to sleep at night knowing what I applied will stay adheared.
Best wishes,
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Are the colors in this video off? It looks more like purple board, which is National Gypsum's mold-resistant drywall 'Gold-Bond XP PURPLE', similar to US Gypsum's 'Sheetrock Mold Tough' green board; The plaster base with the special absorbent paper is sold under US Gypsum's Imperial brand, and by National Gypsum as their 'Gold-Bond Kal-Kore' line.
Good morning Trogdor, yes the colors are true, indeed that was purple sheetrock.
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So why were you calling it blue board in your video did you forget I'd love to see your plaster work under a light what are you charging for a new house 200 12 ft sheets blue board and plaster must be 50 dollars a square ft judging how slow you coat a 4×4 patch
I like greenboard for all ceilings because it doesn't stain as easily if there is ever water leaking from a loose shingle on the roof. I've never used blueboard anywhere. Then again most modern houses don;t call for veneers.
Good evening Daniel, it is sort of rare to call for the blue board unless some architect wants to plaster his own home.
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Kirk ,you and your crew are the very best ! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Good evening Fred, thank you. Peace, love, and happiness to all Bringing Plastering tips to the world, via YouTube Video
Can you remodel a bathroom without sheet rocking the walls
I used cement wonder boards in my tub and shower areas, then used this brush on gel then tiled!
All of my walls are plaster veneer. Im moving some walls and have searched everywhere for blueboard but it isn't available in my area. I'm going to use regular drywall and a bonding agent. Thanks for the info!
Gypsum plastererboard is designed to bond with gypsum plaster at a molecular level theres no need for a bonding agent unless its old board and you need to kill the suction
this guy sounds a lot like Matthew Mcconaughey